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Added info to a short thread about a fortnight ago that may have appeared here, or maybes it was in digital-tv, either way I can't find it.and a little surprised no one has mentioned this yet - or are these just available in my local LiDL. As well as the SilverScreen SL35, LiDL's DVB-T box going on sale yesterday for 39.99gbp - albeit as stated by LiDL without Freeview - (so quite what use it is in the UK digital TV market.except it might pick up some DAB stuff and, of course, be useful elsewhere in Europe),.local LiDL also has here, for sale: The fully populated SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) SL65, (the DVB-S with seven or more buttons on the front and a full range of inlets and outlets on the rear), as a standalone box for 39.99gbp.and. A DVB-S SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) fully populated SL65 - (again, the one with full range of inputs, outputs and front buttons etc), presented in a kit together with a 57cm(60cm) powder-coated(?) pressed steel dish, with a twin LNB for two sat box take-offs, a chromed/silverised mounting arm and, I surmise, the usual LiDL range of brackets, plugs, cabling, satellite bleeper finder etc etc. This kit is available at 59.99gbp.together with. The smaller 'SL65/12' 'camping' version - the one with the three button front, contained in it's plastic briefcase type box, together with everything needed for immediate transportability.
Magnetic compass with satellite offsets, tripod stands, clamps, 39cm dish, cabling et al at 64.99gbp All equipment is, of course, covered (in the UK) by LiDL's 3yr warranty - full replacement/refund in the immediate term - back to base (or return to shop whilst err. Shopping), for repairs. If interested, check which colour (!!) packaging - the 'green' colour box that used to contain the SL65 is now the SL35 DVB-T.
The SL65, (or SL65 comprehensive kits) are now housed in a newly designed 'buff' coloured packaging. The SL65 Camping kit is still contained in a grey-coloured briefcase affair. Anyway.hope this is useful to those interested.:)) Bill ZFC - Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- Jim Watt 29/8/2008, 9:51 น.
'Bill (Adopt)' wrote in message news:[email protected]. - or are these just available in my local LiDL. As well as the SilverScreen SL35, LiDL's DVB-T box snip The fully populated SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) SL65 snip A DVB-S SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) fully populated SL65.in a kit snip The smaller 'SL65/12' 'camping' version - snip Not very popular are they then! (after Tv ad -all the colours in all the sizes) But none of the SL65/2C a 'full' version of the SL65 with 2 card slots and component video (YPrPb) available as an additional option on the TV out scart.useful to flat panel TV owners.;-) Thanks for your informative post. Roger R Steve Terry 29/8/2008, 13:33 น.
'Bill (Adopt)' wrote in message news:[email protected]. Added info to a short thread about a fortnight ago that may have appeared here, or maybes it was in digital-tveither way I can't find it.and a little surprised no one has mentioned this yet - or are these just available in my local LiDL. As well as the SilverScreen SL35, LiDL's DVB-T box going on sale yesterday for 39.99gbp - albeit as stated by LiDL without Freeview - (so quite what use it is in the UK digital TV market.except it might pick up some DAB stuff and, of course, be useful elsewhere in Europe)This was talked about on uk.tech.digital-tv It will receive Freeview, but not digital text Lidls don't know what they are talking about when they say it won't But at 40quid you might as well but a proper DVB-T UK box for half that price Steve Terry Bill (Adopt) 29/8/2008, 18:25 น.
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In article, Roger R wrote: 'Bill (Adopt)' wrote in message news:[email protected]. - or are these just available in my local LiDL.
A shop near here.somewhere in the East of England, not a whole distance from various nuclear facilities and armed stockpiles.!;)) As well as the SilverScreen SL35, LiDL's DVB-T box snip The fully populated SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) SL65 snip A DVB-S SilverScreen (Comag-Herons LiDL) fully populated SL65.in a kit snip The smaller 'SL65/12' 'camping' version - snip Not very popular are they then! (after Tv ad -all the colours in all the sizes) Hi Roger.and Jim and Steve. Dunno, as I haven't ever seen any TV ads here - and we live not a long way from the actual assembly plant.! Perhaps East of England (Anglia) residents are supposed to absorb the info by osmosis, or it's else transmitted by the metachlorians that saturate the water-table.;')) But none of the SL65/2C a 'full' version of the SL65 with 2 card slots and component video (YPrPb) available as an additional option on the TV out scart.useful to flat panel TV owners. Agreed, but then one has to admire the price:)) It could be argued that LiDL and Comag have between them and in no small part been responsible for a revolution in digital sat box pricing that has taken place over the last three or so years. Time was when an FTA box of the SL65's quality, sensitivity, on-board USALS/dish control and with a range of connections would have cost in excess of 200.00gbp - perhaps even a whole lot more than that. However, I have seen that which I believe to be your 2C, or a version thereof, never at LiDL but only in Maplins and under it's own Comag (rather than Silvercrest) name.
Cost if I recall from four weeks or so ago was clearly greater than the SL65. (well, it is Maplins and it is a box offering additional facility that might be useful to some)! Alongside and just a little more costly but still at a very reasonable 129.99gbp (cheaper than the competition), was an HD/SD version of the same - although no-one seemed to know for certain if it could pick up the EPG(s) of the new BBC/ITV 'Freesat' offerings as they develop.
I guess not as yet, at least in respect of the EPG. It should, however, be happy with BBC HD.
Again, no-one seemed to be too sure about ITV's 'Red Button' HD test channel as, of course and unlike BBC HD, that channel presently seems to rely upon the EPG. (This might just be in the present testing phase). As slight aside, btw, and to clear any confusion: 'Freeview' is BBC's Terrestrial version for the UK's DVB-T - as yet without any HD channel(s); 'Freesat' is the BBC/ITV Consortium's satellite version for DVB-S and which does include BBC HD, ITV HD and whatever else HD that's 'out there' and pick-upable.and 'Freesat From Sky' is.err. Sort of what it says, providing one doesn't crumble and end up paying an extra 52.00gbp or more monthly of Murdoch-geld just to be allowed yet another Rupert Shopping channel!;')) As for the SL65's lack of YPrPb connections.Silvercrest's DVD players, PVRs and DVDRs seem to have this but not, from what I have seen, their sat boxes except, (and again I will need to physically check this next time at one our two city Maplins), I guess the HD versions must have at least one HDMI connection added to the rest. It could be that Comag-Herons (and LiDL's, Maplins et al), offerings for OLED, Plasma and LCD may be like the rest of them, 'Works In Progress'.;)) In any case I daresay there are advances in the pipeline. Thanks for your informative post.
You are all very welcome:)).I only hope the info is generally useful, interesting - and not too garbled!:)) (.like sorry Jim! Of course I meant 'Silvercrest', not 'SilverScreen')!?#)) Bill ZFC - Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- [email protected] 30/8/2008, 2:48 น. Roger R 30/8/2008, 16:09 น. But none of the SL65/2C a 'full' version of the SL65 with 2 card slots and component video (YPrPb) available as an additional option on the TV out scart.useful to flat panel TV owners. ;-) OK. Agreed, but then one has to admire the price:)) My comment about the Component Video might have been misleading. All the SilverCrest boxes, SL35T, SL65T, SL65, SL65/2C have the YPrPb option on the TV scart.
(enabled though the setup menu) A scart to RGB phono type cable may be required to connect to displays with RCA phono type component video sockets. I had a look round the various Lidl stores in the Bournemouth area today, and the only SilverCrest box on offer was the terrestrial receiver SL35T, Price reduced from 39.99 to 29.99, but even at there was little interest. With wide availability of branded Freeview set top boxes at lower prices, Silvercrest with its quirky user interface, just doesn't cut it. The HD box in Maplin to which you refer does not appear to be the SL45 shown on the SilverCrest site, perhaps this is to be the Lidl HD receiver, but whether it is or not, the launch of Freesat in the UK has perhaps left Lidl with a little difficulty in the UK satellite tv receiver market. The issue is that 'Freesat' is a registered trade mark and to use it manufacturers have to agree to implement software that makes it very difficult if not impossible to access Free to Air channels that are not included in the BBC EPG. To be included in the EPG list channel operators have to subscribe, (for some unknown princely sum) thus excluding any that might consider the investment too expensive. The upshot of this is that the UK Freesat viewer will have their viewing restricted to the principal UK channels and AIUI access to the principal commercial channel (known as ITV) restricted to only one regional station.
This may be implemented, for example, by the box 'setup' requiring the viewers postcode before allowing further progress, and thereafter prevents access to any channels not specifically intended for that region. It will be widely known to UK customers that to get the benefit of the BBC HD service a Freesat badged box will be required, so they will be very reluctant to buy a plain HD box that doesn't give the viewer access to the BBC HD services in a 'nice, easy and simple way', nor access the BBC EPG functionality.
The possible difficulty for Lidl/Comag is that because of the Freesat licencing restrictions Comag would have to manufacture a 'special', a UK only 'Freesat' box, precluding the cost advantages of volume production of a box that Lidl can sell all across Europe, as with the SL65. Will Lidl produce a 'UK only' box that implements the BBC EPG, badged and sold as 'Freesat', or will they give up on the UK HD satellite market.which could be significant.and continue with their former policy of producing a plain HD (non Freesat) satellite receiver that can be sold across Europe? Wait for the next episode to find out. Roger R Bill (Adopt) 30/8/2008, 20:09 น. In article, Roger R wrote:.
The HD box in Maplin to which you refer does not appear to be the SL45 shown on the SilverCrest siteperhaps this is to be the Lidl HD receiver, but whether it is or not, the launch of Freesat in the UK has perhaps left Lidl with a little difficulty in the UK satellite tv receiver market. The issue is that 'Freesat' is a registered trade mark and to use it manufacturers have to agree to implement software that makes it very difficult if not impossible to access Free to Air channels that are not included in the BBC EPG.
To be included in the EPG list channel operators have to subscribe, (for some unknown princely sum) thus excluding any that might consider the investment too expensive. The upshot of this is that the UK Freesat viewer will have their viewing restricted to the principal UK channels and AIUI access to the principal commercial channel (known as ITV) restricted to only one regional station. Well yes, of course!
BBC/ITV's 'Freesat' is a proprietary blend of channels that are or wish to be included. It has never meant a 'Free-To-Air' free-for-all! I'm not sure that this has anything to do with LiDL, or with their Comag-Herons box?! It's as if you're expecting LiDL and Comag to bow out the market-place simply because a brand new firm named Sky TV has just booked a number of channels on one of the many satellites up there!
Hasn't stopped generations of satellite equipment from continuing to be used to date! Although I've have heard this worry expressed elsewhere, I rather guess it's a bit of the Compleat 'Red-Herring'.
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This may be implemented, for example, by the box 'setup' requiring the viewers postcode before allowing further progress, and thereafter prevents access to any channels not specifically intended for that region. Might 'they' also take my radio away?.or my Technika Freeview+ PVR?.' They' can have my rattle. (I'm generous, that way).;)) It will be widely known to UK customers that to get the benefit of the BBC HD service a Freesat badged box will be required, so they will be very reluctant to buy a plain HD box that doesn't give the viewer access to the BBC HD services in a 'nice, easy and simple way', nor access the BBC EPG functionality.
Well.yes, you are quite correct.that is indeed the consideration that Comag will have take into account when producing any new box. Perhaps the present SL35 DVB-T is a prod to the beasts hide just to see what reaction, if any, is produced. The possible difficulty for Lidl/Comag is that because of the Freesat licencing restrictions Comag would have to manufacture a 'special', a UK only 'Freesat' box, precluding the cost advantages of volume production of a box that Lidl can sell all across Europe, as with the SL65. Simply?.treat 'Freesat' as an extended version of 'Freeview'.
Will Lidl produce a 'UK only' box that implements the BBC EPG, badged and sold as 'Freesat', or will they give up on the UK HD satellite market.which could be significant.and continue with their former policy of producing a plain HD (non Freesat) satellite receiver that can be sold across Europe? Do Comag really need to only do one or the other?
Why not both, if the market exists.?.or as Fortec Star's 'Passion', both combined in the one box? Wait for the next episode to find out. Indeed!:)).and, seriously, does a Comag-Herons LiDL box need to be specifically centred only on BBC/ITV's 'Freesat' and EPG, when it can be used alongside? The fact that I have two Freeview+ PVRs in use, amongst a clutch of other things does not preclude me from adding an SL65 to the lineup.or an additional HD Satellite PVR (Freesat or otherwise) as needed.
Remember, the market does not just include nor is limited to one satellite, most DVB-Ss easily motoring under USALS if asked to anything reachable in the Clark Belt, including all HD channels as or if they become available. I don't see that this demand for flexibility is likely to change anytime soon. In fact, I doubt that many DVB-S FTA or 2C customers are going to be too happy limiting themselves merely to 'Freesat'. In the present flurry.OK, so if four initial UK and a couple or three Euro HD box is anything to flurry by.none of the boxes, except possibly Fortec Star's 'Passion', really seem to have the channel slots available for much more than the 200 or so channels expected to populate BBC/ITV's 'Freesat' EPG by Christmas. The Fortec Star 'Passion' already has the ability to ick up more than Freesat and it's EPG.
So I guess not onerous - any more than we'd expect a Freeview+ PVR to have channel slots for German TV. Perhaps, a way down the line. Who knows!.but it doesn't mean that the boxes need or are therefore incapable, just that they don't have the present channel slots as generic sat receivers.so a motorised User, for instance, will already be setting up in conjunction with an additional box or PVR, be it an FTA or a twin card. This is no different to that which is already happening - ie exactly as we all do now by adding various boxes to our systems as each may wish. In article, Charlie+ wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:23:12 +0100, 'Bill (Adopt)' wrote as underneath my scribble: I purchased the kit containing the pressed steel dish /twin output LNB combination - I compared it with the standard Sky Digital dish, a smaller job altogether - the signal aquisition level of the Lidl combination was far worse. After further investigation and tests it was a problem with the poor focus quality of the dish (not concave enough so uncorrectable).
So dont expect too much of this Lidl dish in poor weather. The briefcase version is a different design and may be a better buy?! Charlie+ It would be a tremendous pity if the 60cm dish isn't any good - and surprising as well, given the usual workability of the rest of LiDL's (Comag-Herons) sat equipment to date. I guess you will have, of course, ruled out any insensitivity in the new LNB and/or tweaked the skew in the LNB's mounting on it's arm? Reason I'm wondering this is that a neighbour when very recently setting up a Fortec Passion HD box with a Fortec Star 60cm dish, found that the skew of the LNB setting proved to be almost the exact reverse of that normally expected - ie it was slanted in the opposite direction to the LNBs of surrounding dishes, including one he already had installed. Quite why there is this reverse skew, no real idea.although it doesn't appear to interfere with reception in any manner.
We did wonder if in that case it was also the focus of the Fortec Star dish.or even the LNB itself. I'm now, tongue in cheek, wondering if there's a steel press facility somewhere that's been mounted in reverse - maybes producing blanks for Rolls Royce hubcaps as a sideline.?! If, after tweaking, you're sure that it's the dish that is being temperamental, then I guess the best course of action is to take the whole package - everything - back to LiDL and see if one of the other kits is producing the same problem. (Shouldn't affect your warranty.smile sweetly.and the second box kit - if they still have one in so get there asap, the staff often allow a quick swop-over - will be as equally covered as the first). Thinking of the 60cm dish itself and not that it's in the least important but, by way of comparison, the 80cm dish that I have here, (ie the same as the one also contained in a separate LiDL dish-alone kit at 14.99gbp), seems to resolve everything from Cuba/Ecuador in the West to Bear Lake in the East. I wouldn't expect the 60cm dish to be as sensitive or rather as focussed.but then it's mainly for use with the higher powered, or the more tightly focussed beams of some of the satellites centering on Europe, such as the obvious Astras or the Hotbird group. (Certainly the advice seems to be that if looking to receive BBC HD or ITV HD via BBC/ITV's 'Freesat', then a 60cm dish is the norm to be expected.
Important as many people will certainly be considering 'upgrading' to or adding an HD box of some description - or even adding an HD capable PVR from Christmas and onward). Regarding the 39cm plastic camping-kit dish.experience of a couple of nearby friends is that this dish isn't all that effective in picking up signal - unless, I guess, it's on a fine day and with a following wind.;)) Mind, I have no personal experience of the 39cm dish.
The lighter camping sat box itself, (SL65/12), on the other hand seems to be pretty much of the same sensitive reception quality as it's big brother. Thinking of big brother, the SL65 has itself rightly earned an excellent reputation as a sensitive and competent FTA box. Must admit, I suppose most people until now would have been using it with the 80cm dish, which dish does seem to do the job quite well. Certainly makes one think, doesn't it.?:)) Bill ZFC (snippies).
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Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- [email protected] 31/8/2008, 3:19 น. Miles Collins 31/8/2008, 10:42 น. Bill (Adopt): I guess you will have, of course, ruled out any insensitivity in the new LNB and/or tweaked the skew in the LNB's mounting on it's arm? Reason I'm wondering this is that a neighbour when very recently setting up a Fortec Passion HD box with a Fortec Star 60cm dish, found that the skew of the LNB setting proved to be almost the exact reverse of that normally expected - ie it was slanted in the opposite direction to the LNBs of surrounding dishesincluding one he already had installed.
Quite why there is this reverse skew, no real idea.although it doesn't appear to interfere with reception in any manner. We did wonder if in that case it was also the focus of the Fortec Star dish.or even the LNB itself. I recall a type of single LNB a few years back that had to be at a 45° angle to have a skew of 0° Maybe it's something like that Miles Bill (Adopt) 31/8/2008, 17:31 น. In article, Miles Collins wrote:.
Bill (Adopt):. in any manner. We did wonder if in that case it was also the focus of the Fortec Star dish.or even the LNB itself. I recall a type of single LNB a few years back that had to be at a 45° angle to have a skew of 0° Maybe it's something like that You might well be correct! Thanks, useful to know that we're not the first home users to experience the problem.:)) Either way it has apparently been reported by more than one person using the same LNB supplied with the Fortec Star's Passion HD kit.but friend whom this affects has decided not to do anything, on the basis that, '.if it works, don't fix'.!:)) Bill ZFC - Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- Bill (Adopt) 31/8/2008, 17:23 น. In article, Charlie+ wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:08:13 +0100, 'Bill (Adopt)' wrote as underneath my scribble: As I say the example I have is poorly focussed, it is probably because the designer designed for one type of steel and the money men got at it in the.
the Sky dishes are well designed as you would expect and perforated which helps with relaxation problems in production and makes no difference to the signal level. Of course it is easier to align a poor dish roughly in the direction of a satellite and get a result of sorts and that could be a benefit for some users! Hi, Charlie+:)) OK. It rather sounds as if, in this case, you will be better served by taking the full kit back to LiDL immediately and either swopping for another full kit if you wish to try the kit again, or else asking for your kit purchase monies to be returned. (It might also be a thought, at some near stage, to give the helpline a call - it used to route to Gt Yarmouth - and inform Comag-Herons UK of your test results. They should be interested). You hopefully may be able to pick up a separate SL65 for 39.99gbp, if you are still interested and providing they are still in the bins.which you can then marry up to another dish from either the suppliers advertising in 'What Satellite and Digital TV', or from somewhere like your local Maplins.
Of course the dish will probably cost you a fair amount more, but at least you will be satisfied in where you have invested your money - and where you can physically see, measure and check focus at your point of purchase. An alternative would be just to put up a 39cm dish as supplied to Sky installers and rely upon that, as you seem to have experience in using one. You may even have access to one of the older and greater diameter circular analogue dishes that were once supplied for installation by Sky - they should work OK. You might even get a Sky installer to stick one up for you for a consideration.and with whose professional assistance your problem might well be resolved.;')) (It has been known)! In any event, aiming at the Astras alone - or possibly the Hotbirds if you wish to twitch it around - should provide with you more than enough 'signal', although if you wish to motorise - the SL65 has decent USALS - then an 80cm dish with a slightly heavier mass mount might be a more advisable generic bet. (LiDL have, at least over the last few years and often with or just after their SL's have appeared, supplied an 85cm dish kit.all in with cabling, brackets, plugs, finder etc etc for 14.99gbp, which works very well indeed.providing competent reception even beyond the far East/West limits as suggested in 'What Sat.'
These dishes are of a solid coated steel construction, so might not entirely suit your requirement). Incidentally, I do rather remember reading, (again I think in WotSat), that in some test situations, the mesh dishes have generally performed marginally less well than similar sized pressed steels, but that any shortfall is not overly significant. It sounds as if your personal experience has unfortunately been a little at odds with that position.
In any case, good luck! I do hope you get a dish that is suitable both for your location and for your use.
Hh.:)) Bill ZFC e&oe.!! - Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- [email protected] 1/9/2008, 1:42 น. [email protected] 1/9/2008, 3:44 น. Bill (Adopt) 1/9/2008, 3:56 น. In article, Charlie+ wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:23:38 +0100, 'Bill (Adopt)' wrote as underneath my scribble: I didnt ask for or need your help thank you - the dish is doing sterling work as a birdbath, I have other better dishes and the rest of the kit works fine! Great!:)) You didn't say that you had decided to use the thing as a bird bath.
(I'm assuming that you will have let Comag (LiDL and Maplins) know of your findings). (You remind me of stories heard, (urban or not so urban USA), about large sat dishes, ornamental ponds and things.and I appreciate that you do not need anyone to bother with comment or assistance. To your latter paragraph the operative word is 'marginal'; bet they didnt quote any figures, and margins of measurement error, how did they get two IDENTICAL dishes to measure one perforated and one without - Ill bet you they didnt do it scientifically! Theoretically the difference should be almost zero if the perforations are correctly sized compared with the WL. Perhaps you should take the matter up with 'What Satellite and Digital TV'.or even with experts on these things.
My comment was offered, as I said, merely from something that I recall from an article reviewing some differing dishes. Apart from that memory, I can't add more.
Thank you for the explanation.noted.:)) Bill ZFC - Adoption InterLink UK with -=- Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- Jim Watt 2/9/2008, 0:52 น. In message, Charlie+ writes On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:44:50 +0100, Walt Davidson wrote as underneath my scribble: To give others real hardware test information that might be of use to them. Charlie How rude! If you didn't want constructive comments, why did you bother posting here at all? And to make it worse, you respond by top-posting.
That says it all, really. What a shallow little no content sniper poster you are! You and your like help to the decline of usenet - theres a bit of bottom posting for you - Happy now Walt dearie?! Before coming out with ill-considered, peremptory accusations, it would be a good idea if you looked at Walt's formidable posting to the Usenet record. He has always been generous in sharing his experiences and offering guidance. His upbraiding of your top-posting was much more moderate than your behaviour warranted. James Follett Steve Terry 2/9/2008, 15:12 น.
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